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Redish Lab<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://sfba.social/@knutson_brain" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>knutson_brain</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fediscience.org/@Andrewpapale" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>Andrewpapale</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://neuromatch.social/@tdverstynen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>tdverstynen</span></a></span> </p><p>3/3 But it may also be time to incorporate <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/sociology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>sociology</span></a> studies of world-understanding and news gathering into decision theory practical consequences.</p><p>To my knowledge there isn't a strong connection between people studying these consequences of <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/propaganda" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>propaganda</span></a> and <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/news" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>news</span></a> eco-systems with modern theories of <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/DecisionMaking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DecisionMaking</span></a> and <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/DecisionScience" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DecisionScience</span></a>.</p><p>But if anyone is interested, please reach out to me. It is something I'm very interested in pursuing. <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/ChangingHowWeChoose" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ChangingHowWeChoose</span></a></p>
Redish Lab<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://neuromatch.social/@tdverstynen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>tdverstynen</span></a></span> </p><p>Technically, this is the Assurance Game or the Stag Hunt.* In the Prisoner's Dilemma, it is always better for the individual to defect. That's the problem: if we are playing an Prisoner's Dilemma, then "cheating makes you smart" because it is always better to cheat. </p><p>The point of society is that social codes have the effect of transforming Prisoner's Dilemmas into Assurance Games, where it is better to cooperate ... iff the others are going to cooperate with you.</p><p>* I like to describe the Stag Hunt in terms of Infrastructure: Imagine we are the mayors of a couple of towns with a river running between our towns, and we each have enough money to build half a bridge. If you are going to build your half (cooperate), I want to build my half. If you are going to throw a party for your town (defect), I don't want to build half a bridge to nowhere. What I really want to do is convince you to cooperate, so we have a working bridge between our communities.</p><p>Nevertheless, you are not wrong that in an Assurance Game, cooperating when your opponent is defecting is a fools errand. If no matter what we say, they won't build their half of a bridge, then we will lose every time by cooperating.</p><p>What we really need to do is to create better cooperating-within groups and compete with them directly. They'll like us when we win.</p><p><a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/ChangingHowWeChoose" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ChangingHowWeChoose</span></a></p>
Redish Lab<p>Interesting observation: One of the conclusions of my <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/ChangingHowWeChoose" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ChangingHowWeChoose</span></a> book is that one key to successful moral social communities is groups that provide easy and low-cost group switching. <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>pluralistic</span></a></span> points out that this is the key to <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>mastodon</span></a> 's success over <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/BlueSky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BlueSky</span></a> and <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/xitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>xitter</span></a> </p><p>Basically, the logic from the book is the following: Because the fundamental pro-social conflict is between individual goals and group goals, groups with cooperative communities (due to their social codes that align these goals) outperform groups without. If we have the opportunity to switch groups, cooperative people will migrate to cooperative groups, do better than the selfish, and the overall prosocial moral structure will improve.</p><p>In <a href="https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/#tie-yourself-to-a-federated-mast" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/uly</span><span class="invisible">sses-pact/#tie-yourself-to-a-federated-mast</span></a>, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>pluralistic</span></a></span> suggests that this also reduces <a href="https://neuromatch.social/tags/enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>enshittification</span></a> .</p><p>Fascinating!</p>