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Andreas Scherbaum<p>certbot on Debian Bookworm fails with: The peer didn't know the key we used</p><p><a href="https://andreas.scherbaum.la/post/2025-06-09_certbot-on-debian-bookworm-fails-with-the-peer-didnt-know-the-key-we-used/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">andreas.scherbaum.la/post/2025</span><span class="invisible">-06-09_certbot-on-debian-bookworm-fails-with-the-peer-didnt-know-the-key-we-used/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/LetsEncrypt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LetsEncrypt</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Debian</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Challenge" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Challenge</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Bookworm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Bookworm</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Trixie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trixie</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Certbot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Certbot</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Bind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Bind</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/RFC1918" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RFC1918</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Encryption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Encryption</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DNSSEC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DNSSEC</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/ACME" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ACME</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DNS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DNS</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://sk.girlthi.ng/@thermia" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>thermia</span></a></span> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CGNAT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CGNAT</span></a> should be outlawed - espechally when it illegally uses <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RFC1918" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RFC1918</span></a> address space!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.jp/@landley" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>landley</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@jschauma" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>jschauma</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@ryanc" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>ryanc</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@0xabad1dea" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>0xabad1dea</span></a></span> yeah, the exhaustion problem would've been shoved back with a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/64bit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>64bit</span></a> or sufficiently delayed by a 40bit number.</p><p>Unless we also hate <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NAT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NAT</span></a> and expect every device to have a unique static <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IP</span></a> (which is a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a> nightmare at best that <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PrivacyExtensions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PrivacyExtensions</span></a>"</em> barely fixed.) </p><ul><li>I mean they could've also gone the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DECnet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DECnet</span></a> approach and use the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EUI48" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EUI48</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MAC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MAC</span></a>-Address (or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EUI64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EUI64</span></a>) as static addressing system, but that would've made <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/vendors" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>vendors</span></a> and not <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ISPs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ISPs</span></a> the powerful forces of allocation. (Similar to how technically the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ICCID" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ICCID</span></a> dictates <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GSM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GSM</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/4G" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>4G</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/5G" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>5G</span></a> access and not the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IMEI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IMEI</span></a> unless places like Australia ban imported devices.</li></ul> <p>I guess using a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/128bit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>128bit</span></a> address space was inspired by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ZFS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ZFS</span></a> doing the same <em>before</em>, as the folks who designed both wanted to design a solution that clearly will outlive them (<em>way harder</em> than COBOL has outlived Grace Hopper)...</p><ul><li>Personally I've only had headaches with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPv6" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPv6</span></a> because not only do I only have <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPv4only" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPv4only</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Internet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Internet</span></a> but my <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ISP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ISP</span></a> refuses to allocate even a singe /64 to me (but has no problem throwing in a free /29 of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPv4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPv4</span></a>'s in with my contract!)and stuff like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HurricaneElectric" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HurricaneElectric</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HEnet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HEnet</span></a>'s <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tunnelbroker" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tunnelbroker</span></a> fail face first due to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Geoblocking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Geoblocking</span></a> and the fact that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ASNs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ASNs</span></a> get geolocated, not their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PoPs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PoPs</span></a>... </li></ul><p>If I was <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.bund.de/@BNetzA" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>BNetzA</span></a></span> I would've mandated <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DualStack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DualStack</span></a> and banned <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CGNAT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CGNAT</span></a> (or at least the use of CGNAT in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RFC1918" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RFC1918</span></a> address spaces) as well as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DualStackLite" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DualStackLite</span></a>!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@wmd" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>wmd</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://denden.world/@miqokin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>miqokin</span></a></span> also the <a href="https://chaos.social/@wmd/113899197317600561" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">same Issues</a> are by my own experience are better solved via <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a>, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.librem.one/@guardianproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>guardianproject</span></a></span> 's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Orbot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Orbot</span></a> &amp; <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@micahflee" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>micahflee</span></a></span> 's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OnionShare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OnionShare</span></a> just to name a few.</p><ul><li>Not to mention most <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileNetworks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MobileNetworks</span></a> <em>illegally</em> use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RFC1918" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RFC1918</span></a> space like 10.0.0.0/8 for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CGNAT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CGNAT</span></a>, <em>intentionally bricking</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VPN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>VPN</span></a>|s in order to force <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/progessionals" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>progessionals</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/businesses" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>businesses</span></a> in way more expensive contracts as they need a <em>"real" VPN</em> for work...</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://ipv6.social/@tschaefer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>tschaefer</span></a></span> fängt damit an dass bis heute nicht alle <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPv6" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPv6</span></a> haben oder bekommen können...</p><ul><li>Bspw.: Verweigert mein <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ISP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ISP</span></a> die Bereitstellung von echtem <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DualStack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DualStack</span></a>. (Deshalb kann ich <a href="https://ipv6.social/@tschaefer/113453220246374691" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">diesen Post</a> auch nicht direkt aufrufen!)</li></ul><p>Umgekehrt sind bis heute nicht alle <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Diensteanbieter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Diensteanbieter</span></a> &amp; Services von <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPv4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPv4</span></a> auf <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPv6" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPv6</span></a> migriert worden.</p><ul><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPv6only" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPv6only</span></a> ist anders als ein <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Windows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Windows</span></a>-Verbot (was <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BDSG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BDSG</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DSGVO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DSGVO</span></a> eigentlich verlangen!) illusorisch.</li></ul><p>Sorgt zwar für Henne-Ei-Problem, wäre aber durch die <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.bund.de/@BNetzA" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>BNetzA</span></a></span> lösbar indem diese zwangsweise je IPv4 mindestens ein /64 an IPv6 vorschreibt und Bullshit wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CGNAT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CGNAT</span></a> [insbesondere mit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RFC1918" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RFC1918</span></a>-Addressraum] verbietet!</p><ul><li>Besonders Bullshit wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DualStackLite" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DualStackLite</span></a> ist murks: Entweder korrekt Dual-Stack oder lasst es sein!!!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://troet.cafe/@jue" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>jue</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@goetz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>goetz</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@fluepke" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>fluepke</span></a></span> Until you have some <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/remote" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>remote</span></a> workers who only have <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CGNAT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CGNAT</span></a> + pseudo-static <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPv6" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPv6</span></a> addresses on a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/consumer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>consumer</span></a> line...</p><p>Then it's not an option and you'll have to resort to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RFC1918" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RFC1918</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DualStack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DualStack</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WAN" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WAN</span></a>-side, as I had to setup for a fmr. employer / client...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@goetz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>goetz</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@fluepke" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>fluepke</span></a></span> AFAICT, all <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MNOs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MNOs</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MVNOs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MVNOs</span></a> in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Germany" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Germany</span></a> violate <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RFC6598" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RFC6598</span></a> by using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RFC1918" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RFC1918</span></a> address space ( 10.0.0.0/8) bricking <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/VPNs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>VPNs</span></a> that use the same address range instead of using the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CGNAT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CGNAT</span></a> address space ( 100.64.0.0/10 ).</p><p>Sadly, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.bund.de/@BNetzA" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>BNetzA</span></a></span> doesn't really care to enforce anything...</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-</span><span class="invisible">grade_NAT</span></a><br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_shared_address_space" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_sha</span><span class="invisible">red_address_space</span></a><br><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_</span><span class="invisible">address_translation</span></a><br><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1918" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/</span><span class="invisible">rfc1918</span></a><br><a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6598" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/</span><span class="invisible">rfc6598</span></a></p>
Julius Kaiser<p>I remember seeing public IPv4 addresses from Xerox and the US DoD assigned to DTAG LTE SIMs internally in Germany (04/2020), probably because they ran out of RFC1918 space. Do you have other such examples? I would like to collect them. (boosts in the IP/ net admin bubble appreciated!)</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/ipv4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ipv4</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/telco" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>telco</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/networking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>networking</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/network" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>network</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/telekom" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>telekom</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/sysadmin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>sysadmin</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/ipv6" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ipv6</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/cgnat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cgnat</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/nat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>nat</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/rfc1918" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rfc1918</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/internet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>internet</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/dtag" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dtag</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/bgp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>bgp</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/dfz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dfz</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@forceofhabit" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>forceofhabit</span></a></span> yeah, blocking <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CGNAT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>CGNAT</span></a> address ranges is a good thing.</p><ul><li>Tho most <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MNO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MNO</span></a>|s &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MVNO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MVNO</span></a>|s violate <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NetNeutrality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NetNeutrality</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IETF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IETF</span></a> standards and use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RFC1918" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RFC1918</span></a> (i.e. 10.0.0.0/8) for CGNAT.</li></ul><p>Also thanks for reminding me to never set foot into Belgium again, cuz that sounds like a facist policestate!</p>
Come On Giant Asteroid!<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.radio/@2E0RKE" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>2E0RKE</span></a></span> It was still being referred to as <a href="https://mastodon.radio/tags/IPng" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPng</span></a> and our instructor said that we'd be out of IPV4 addresses in a year or two so they needed to get going. That was 1993 or 1994. And then <a href="https://mastodon.radio/tags/RFC1918" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RFC1918</span></a> hit and here we are - a broken address space and no way forward to network nirvana. </p><p>I've only worked with <a href="https://mastodon.radio/tags/IPv6" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPv6</span></a> on a live network for a little bit but I lived what I saw.</p>