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bk<p>Large language models (and some people) don’t know what they don’t know ( <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> ) …</p>
Michael Fenichel<p>@DemocracyMattersALot@mstdn.socia</p><p>Although in the case of Sir <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/TrumpVirus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TrumpVirus</span></a>, it's not just grandiosity combined with stupidity (and rage) but a whole lot of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/cognitive" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cognitive</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psychopathology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>psychopathology</span></a> issues.</p><p>Seeing a few references to the dynamic of the stupidest being most wedded to the stupid, having no "mindfulness" or thinking skills to be aware (or care).</p><p>FWIW, one of the best , very short &amp; sweet explanations of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> comes from John Cleese, in one minute flat:</p><p><a href="https://bit.ly/Sostupid" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">bit.ly/Sostupid</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Mina<p>Have you ever heard of the <a href="https://berlin.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> effect?</p><p>Generally, it is understood as</p><p>"a claim about general overconfidence of people with low intelligence" [wikipedia] </p><p>This actually isn't, what the original study said, but it is still what most people think, when they hear the term.</p><p>However, in my personal experience (anecdotal evidence) I find the most extreme levels of unfounded overconfidence about one's expertise concerning almost every aspect of life concentrated</p><p>1/2</p>
Rob Larter<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.coffee/@vacapinta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>vacapinta</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://beige.party/@RickiTarr" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>RickiTarr</span></a></span> <br>This is called the <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/dunningkruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dunningkruger</span></a> effect.<br><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin</span><span class="invisible">g%E2%80%93Kruger_effect</span></a></p>
MugsysRapSheet 🔩🐑🐘<p>A REMINDER of what the <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> Effect is: when a person is SO sure they are right, every bit of evidence they are wrong only causes them to dig in their heels b/c they are CERTAIN that if we just keep going, they'll be proven right (see: <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Covid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Covid</span></a> is a hoax that'll go away with the heat.) 🤦‍♂️ <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DisasterPresidency" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DisasterPresidency</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/TooStupidToBePresident" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TooStupidToBePresident</span></a> <br><a href="https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/-historic-debacle-trump-sets-new-standard-for-poor-presidential-performance-americans-displeased-238684229542" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/</span><span class="invisible">-historic-debacle-trump-sets-new-standard-for-poor-presidential-performance-americans-displeased-238684229542</span></a></p>
Bufale.net :verified:<p>Torna la teoria del <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/complotto" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>complotto</span></a> del "<a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/Papa" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Papa</span></a> non Eletto", che tracima nel <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/Conclave" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Conclave</span></a> non eletto. Frutto del <a href="https://mastodon.uno/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> estremo di chi Catechismo e Diritto canonico li ha visti solo in cartolina...</p><p><a href="https://www.bufale.net/dal-papa-non-eletto-al-conclave-non-eletto-leterna-bufala/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">bufale.net/dal-papa-non-eletto</span><span class="invisible">-al-conclave-non-eletto-leterna-bufala/</span></a></p>
The-14<p>Donald Trump’s policies are more than dumb — they’re stupid, according to stupidity researchers<br><a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Musk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Musk</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>USA</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/TrumpPolicies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TrumpPolicies</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Stupidity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Stupidity</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Politics</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/PoliticalAnalysis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PoliticalAnalysis</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/TradeWars" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TradeWars</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/DOGE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DOGE</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/FunctionalStupidity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FunctionalStupidity</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Economics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Economics</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/InternationalRelations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>InternationalRelations</span></a><br><a href="https://the-14.com/donald-trumps-policies-are-more-than-dumb-theyre-stupid-according-to-stupidity-researchers/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">the-14.com/donald-trumps-polic</span><span class="invisible">ies-are-more-than-dumb-theyre-stupid-according-to-stupidity-researchers/</span></a></p>
Benjamin Knispel<p>To be fair, though, I must add that the LLM even mentioned the usual caveats here. But these may not have been understood by the person:</p><p>“requires rigorous mathematical formulation and testing - currently speculative without such validation”</p><p>“a tall order needing extensive proof”</p><p>“a hypothesis awaiting the hard test of evidence”</p><p>5/5</p><p><a href="https://chaos.social/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/physics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>physics</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/relativity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>relativity</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/LLM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LLM</span></a></p>
Benjamin Knispel<p>After all, what could possibly go wrong when non-physicists pour their “physics buzzword bingo” with questions that sound like physics (but are not) into an LLM that ultimately doesn't understand physics either?</p><p>If the LLM then says, among other things, “it does seem almost too logical and elegant to be completely wrong”, this is of course problematic. Especially if the person at that point decides not to listen to any experts at all…</p><p>4/</p><p><a href="https://chaos.social/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/physics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>physics</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/relativity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>relativity</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/LLM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LLM</span></a></p>
Benjamin Knispel<p>My objection that the central definition underlyinig the “theory” is not physical and ambiguous was completely ignored.</p><p>Worse still: because I was perceived to be too “stupid” has led the person to conclude that they will only discuss this with AIs in the future because “it obviously doesn't make sense (anymore) to discuss it with physicists.”</p><p>That's probably a problem. </p><p>3/</p><p><a href="https://chaos.social/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/physics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>physics</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/relativity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>relativity</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/LLM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LLM</span></a></p>
Benjamin Knispel<p>Often they have become so bogged down in their pseudo theories that it is almost impossible to have a meaningful discussion with them.</p><p>Sometimes you can try and present a well-reasoned objection. Whether the other side will get it, is a different question.</p><p>Recently, I had the case that the person had “discussed” their theory with an AI / LLM beforehand and, due to “praise” from the language model, was convinced that they *could not be wrong*.</p><p>2/</p><p><a href="https://chaos.social/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/physics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>physics</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/relativity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>relativity</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/LLM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LLM</span></a></p>
Benjamin Knispel<p>Today, I realized another risk of AI that I hadn't considered before, namely as a Dunning-Kruger amplifier.</p><p>At the institute, I regularly have contact with people (*) who think they have refuted the theory of relativity or solved other big physical problems.</p><p>Usually, these “solutions” are simply meaningless sentences that sound like physics, but are not physics.</p><p>1/</p><p>(*) So far only men.</p><p><a href="https://chaos.social/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/physics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>physics</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/relativity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>relativity</span></a> <a href="https://chaos.social/tags/LLM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LLM</span></a></p>
Benjamin Knispel<p>Mir ist heute ein weiteres Risiko von KI klar geworden, dass ich so noch nicht auf dem Schirm hatte, nämlich als Dunning-Kruger-Verstärker.</p><p>Im Institut laufen bei mir regelmäßig Menschen (*) auf, die meinen, sie hätten die Relativitätstheorie widerlegt oder andere wilde, physikalische Probleme gelöst.</p><p>In der Regel sind diese Lösungen einfach ein recht sinnfreies Verketten von physikalisch klingenden Sätzen, die inhaltlich aber nicht schlüssig sind.</p><p>1/</p><p>(*) Bislang nur Männer.</p><p><a href="https://chaos.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a></p>
cob<p>-&gt; la "méfiance cynique" : <a href="https://shs.cairn.info/revue-management-2018-3-page-967?lang=fr" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">shs.cairn.info/revue-managemen</span><span class="invisible">t-2018-3-page-967?lang=fr</span></a></p><p>"Le cynisme est défini comme un ensemble de croyances négatives sur la nature humaine et ses motivations." -&gt; "Le connard vit dans un monde d'incompétence et de fourberie." -&gt; "Il pense que les gens sont honnêtes seulement parce qu'ils ont peur d'être pris."</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psychology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>psychology</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/marmion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>marmion</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/biaiscognitif" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>biaiscognitif</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/science" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>science</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/connaissance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>connaissance</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>psy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/management" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>management</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/rh" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rh</span></a></p>
cob<p>-&gt; biais égocentrique : "la chance n'est que l'interprétation que donne le connard aux probabilités." -&gt; effet Dunning-Kruger.</p><p>"si la personne incompétente tend à surestimer son niveau de compétence, elle ne parvient pas non plus à reconnaître la <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/comp%C3%A9tence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>compétence</span></a> chez ceux qui la possèdent."</p><p>-&gt; <a href="https://biais-cognitif.com/biais/effet-dunning-kruger/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">biais-cognitif.com/biais/effet</span><span class="invisible">-dunning-kruger/</span></a><br>-&gt; <a href="https://www.cadremploi.fr/editorial/conseils/conseils-carriere/comprendre-leffet-dunning-kruger-et-savoir-le-gerer" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">cadremploi.fr/editorial/consei</span><span class="invisible">ls/conseils-carriere/comprendre-leffet-dunning-kruger-et-savoir-le-gerer</span></a><br>-&gt; <a href="https://solutions.lesechos.fr/equipe-management/c/leffet-dunning-kruger-le-mal-invisible-qui-affecte-la-performance-des-equipes-37575/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">solutions.lesechos.fr/equipe-m</span><span class="invisible">anagement/c/leffet-dunning-kruger-le-mal-invisible-qui-affecte-la-performance-des-equipes-37575/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psychology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>psychology</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/marmion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>marmion</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/biaiscognitif" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>biaiscognitif</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/science" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>science</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/connaissance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>connaissance</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/psy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>psy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/management" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>management</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/rh" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>rh</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a></p>
suzune<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://ard.social/@NDR" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>NDR</span></a></span> Auch ein Bereich, wo unsere rückständigen Parteien für <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Regress" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Regress</span></a> sorgen.</p><p>Naja, es lebt sich einfacher, wenn man von dümmeren Menschen und nicht herausfordernden Strukturen umgeben ist.</p><p>Es gibt keine Probleme, wenn man sie nicht erkennt. Auch eine ähnliche Erkenntnis, wie die von <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/dunningkruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dunningkruger</span></a> .</p>
FlohEinstein<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://norden.social/@fragefix" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>fragefix</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hhmx.de/@nick" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>nick</span></a></span> siehe hierzu auch den Comic von <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@islieb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>islieb</span></a></span> über den Dunning-Krüger-Schwarzschild-Radius<br><a href="https://chaos.social/@FlohEinstein/113315533740311159" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">chaos.social/@FlohEinstein/113</span><span class="invisible">315533740311159</span></a><br><a href="https://chaos.social/tags/dunningkruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dunningkruger</span></a></p>
Church of Jeff<p><a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/MAGA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MAGA</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/TrumpFelon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TrumpFelon</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/TrumpWars" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TrumpWars</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/TrumpEconomy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TrumpEconomy</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/Project2025" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Project2025</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a></p>
faraiwe<p><a href="https://beige.party/tags/DunningKruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DunningKruger</span></a></p>
SouthNorth<p>Another example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, which seems to occur quite frequently with Trump:<br>Trump is fascinated by Greenland primarily because of its massive size. However, he apparently has no real understanding of the island’s actual dimensions. On maps using the common Mercator projection, Greenland appears much larger than it really is. In reality, it is only about a quarter of the United States.</p><p><a href="https://www.newsweek.com/mercator-projection-greenland-donald-trump-2011694" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">newsweek.com/mercator-projecti</span><span class="invisible">on-greenland-donald-trump-2011694</span></a> <br><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/notrump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>notrump</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>trump</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/dunningkruger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dunningkruger</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/greenland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>greenland</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/fakenews" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>fakenews</span></a></p>
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