@anandphilipc @fesshole sounds like your culture needs improvement then
@ariadne What do you mean?
@anandphilipc cultures which fail to respect the autonomy of women are in need of improvement to evolve past that backwards view. sorry i can’t make it more blunt than that.
@ariadne I do want to make it clear that we should definitely have tests of beliefs about gender etc. and a company has the right to have policies about these things. perfectly ok. and fuck yes people should respond to women when they speak and not talk over them. 200% agree.
@anandphilipc yeah i think my original response was a little shitty because it was reactive. sorry for that.
anyway, my point was just that people shouldn’t be allowed to blame culture as a pass for bad behavior. the behavior is still bad, after all, and humans can learn to change their behavior.
i do understand that cultural norms sometimes cause bad behavior to be deeply present in a society, but pushing back and expecting better is valid and should be encouraged, and as a result lifts everyone up. :)
@ariadne that's cool. things get heated. just saying that cultural norms dont all come from the same place. and this is a mistake we keeep making.
@anandphilipc @ariadne So how do you suggest handling a male potential hire who refuses to communicate directly with women because of cultural norms that exclude women from business and society? It would seem you’d have to at least have a very frank discussion of, “you’re going to have female superiors, co-workers and clients and you are required to treat them the same way you treat male ones.” If he says he can comply he then would need to be monitored to be sure he’s not causing problems.
@PedestrianError hi, better tests. this has been studied well. there are scientifically better ways to test implicit biases. plenty of literature on this. including with detecting gender biases. eg. explicitly asking and simulating conversations with female bossses or co workers. as opposed to shadow-testing. coming from a place of bad faith. etc.