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Christophe Bousquet<p>Third day of the Konstanz School of Collective Behaviour 2025 (<a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/KSCB2025" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KSCB2025</span></a>) starts with a keynote talk by Peter Dayan on <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/GameTheory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GameTheory</span></a>, <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/TheoryOfMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheoryOfMind</span></a> and how they impact <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/SocialGames" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SocialGames</span></a> such as <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/DictatorGames" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DictatorGames</span></a> and <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/UltimatumGames" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>UltimatumGames</span></a>.</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://bsky.brid.gy/r/https://bsky.app/profile/cbehav.bsky.social" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>cbehav.bsky.social</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://www.exc.uni-konstanz.de/kscb/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">exc.uni-konstanz.de/kscb/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Dave Muth<p>If this is too thinky, then, "Nyah nyah--I'm scissors, you're glue...wait...now we're BOTH all sticky!"</p><p><a href="https://mas.to/tags/TheoryOfMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheoryOfMind</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Philosophy</span></a></p>
Dave Muth<p>I believe a philosophy that can be called wide-ass. Everyone contributes their thoughts, and beliefs, and actions to the wide-ass philosophy.</p><p>My personal philosophies are more wise-ass. But I don't think that navel-gazing from the inside, or head-up-the-ass philosophies will lead to useful enlightenment.</p><p>I could be wrong... It wouldn't be the 1st time...</p><p><a href="https://mas.to/tags/Philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Philosophy</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/TheoryOfMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheoryOfMind</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Self" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Self</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/TheOther" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheOther</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/SelvesCreateReality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelvesCreateReality</span></a></p>
The Krononaut Moon Project 🌑<p>&nbsp;<br><a href="https://me.dm/tags/Apes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Apes</span></a> point out hidden treats only when <a href="https://me.dm/tags/humans" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>humans</span></a> are <a href="https://me.dm/tags/unaware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>unaware</span></a> of their <a href="https://me.dm/tags/location" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>location</span></a>. <br>❛❛ It's a <a href="https://me.dm/tags/sign" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>sign</span></a> of a <a href="https://me.dm/tags/cognitive" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cognitive</span></a> ability called <a href="https://me.dm/tags/Theory" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Theory</span></a> of <a href="https://me.dm/tags/Mind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Mind</span></a>. ❜❜</p><p>🔗 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPD9jqXEv7Y" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">youtube.com/watch?v=kPD9jqXEv7</span><span class="invisible">Y</span></a> 2025 Feb 04 <br>🔗 <a href="https://www.SmithsonianMag.com/smart-news/when-bonobos-know-what-you-dont-theyll-tell-you-its-a-sign-of-a-cognitive-ability-called-theory-of-mind-180985991/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">SmithsonianMag.com/smart-news/</span><span class="invisible">when-bonobos-know-what-you-dont-theyll-tell-you-its-a-sign-of-a-cognitive-ability-called-theory-of-mind-180985991/</span></a> 2025 Feb 05 <br>🔗 <a href="https://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_o</span><span class="invisible">f_mind</span></a> … <a href="https://me.dm/tags/TheoryOfMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheoryOfMind</span></a> </p><p><a href="https://me.dm/tags/Community" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Community</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/TimeTravel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TimeTravel</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/Research" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Research</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/primates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>primates</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/mammalian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>mammalian</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/intelligence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>intelligence</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/interspecies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>interspecies</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/communitication" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>communitication</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/psychology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>psychology</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/biology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>biology</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/science" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>science</span></a> <a href="https://me.dm/tags/Kronodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Kronodon</span></a></p>
Gary Ackerman<p>Humans have the capacity to be aware of their own thoughts while understanding that others are also thinking. This is key to social groups. <a href="https://qoto.org/tags/theoryofmind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>theoryofmind</span></a></p>
Katy Elphinstone<p>"Theory of mind"</p><p>And why it isn't all it's cracked up to be. </p><p>A thread.</p><p>🧵 </p><p><a href="https://mas.to/tags/Autistic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Autistic</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/ActuallyAutistic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ActuallyAutistic</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Neurodivergent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Neurodivergent</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/AuDHD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AuDHD</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/ADHD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ADHD</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Neurodiversity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Neurodiversity</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/TheoryOfMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheoryOfMind</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Psychology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Psychology</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/DoubleEmpathy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>DoubleEmpathy</span></a></p>
Darrin L Rogers<p>One of my dear friends and an excellent researcher in <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/bilingual" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>bilingual</span></a> development and <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/TheoryOfMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheoryOfMind</span></a> just published a paper!</p><p><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0885201424001254" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">sciencedirect.com/science/arti</span><span class="invisible">cle/abs/pii/S0885201424001254</span></a></p><p><a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>language</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/psychology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>psychology</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/behavior" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>behavior</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/academic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>academic</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/professor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>professor</span></a></p>
Lupposofi<p>Michael Rescorla has revised his SEP-entry on The Compurational Theory of Mind (CTM), <a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/computational-mind/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">plato.stanford.edu/entries/com</span><span class="invisible">putational-mind/</span></a></p><p>A decade ago I thougt this theory would surely be passé with respect to understanding human cognitive processes. That may have been with the previous edition of the entry (by Steven Horst) and/or IEP's take on the subject (by Marcin Milkowski), <a href="https://iep.utm.edu/computational-theory-of-mind/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">iep.utm.edu/computational-theo</span><span class="invisible">ry-of-mind/</span></a></p><p>Perhaps it is time to give CTM another try, if something else doesn't pop up to my extremely short and tardy reading list?</p><p><a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/sep" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>sep</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/revised" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>revised</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/ctm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ctm</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/mind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>mind</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/theoryOfMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>theoryOfMind</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/computation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>computation</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/cognition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cognition</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/philosophyOfMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>philosophyOfMind</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>philosophy</span></a></p>
Lupposofi<p>All new in SEP, Cameron Buckner's Animal Social Cognition, <a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/animal-social-cognition/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">plato.stanford.edu/entries/ani</span><span class="invisible">mal-social-cognition/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/animal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>animal</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/social" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>social</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/cognition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>cognition</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/consciousness" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>consciousness</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/mind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>mind</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/theoryOfmind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>theoryOfmind</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/mindreading" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>mindreading</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/psychology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>psychology</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>philosophy</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/filosofia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>filosofia</span></a> <a href="https://mementomori.social/tags/sep" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>sep</span></a></p>
Universität Stuttgart<p>🤩 Good news für internationale Post-Docs. In seiner neuen Rolle als Henriette Herz <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/Scout" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Scout</span></a> der @HumboldtStiftung nominiert <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@abulling" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>abulling</span></a></span> drei Nachwuchsforschende für seine Forschungsgruppe <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@collaborativeai" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>collaborativeai</span></a></span> an der <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/UniStuttgart" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>UniStuttgart</span></a>. <br>👩‍💻 Deutschland und europaweit ist Bullings Gruppe eine der wenigen, die interdisziplinär in der <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/MenschMaschineInteraktion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MenschMaschineInteraktion</span></a> und <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/KognitivenModellierung" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KognitivenModellierung</span></a> forscht. 🤖 Das Ziel: Intelligente <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/Assistenzsysteme" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Assistenzsysteme</span></a>, die sich in ihr Gegenüber hineinversetzen und so mit uns im Alltag, in der medizinischen <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/Diagnostik" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Diagnostik</span></a> oder in der <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/Pflege" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Pflege</span></a> menschenähnlich zusammenarbeiten können. <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/TheoryofMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheoryofMind</span></a> <br>🌐Ein Highlight der Stuttgarter <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/Informatik" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Informatik</span></a>: direkte Zusammenarbeit mit den <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/Exzellenzclustern" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Exzellenzclustern</span></a> <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/SimTech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SimTech</span></a> und <a href="https://xn--baw-joa.social/tags/IntCDC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IntCDC</span></a> sowie der <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://ellis.social/@stuttgart" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>stuttgart</span></a></span>.<br>👉 <a href="https://sohub.io/y4z0" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">sohub.io/y4z0</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
TerryB<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fediscience.org/@flourn0" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>flourn0</span></a></span> Does Sally know that Anne knew where the marble was or that she had moved the marble? If Sally thinks that others just know what she knows Sally would assume that Anne thinks the marble is still in the drawer. <a href="https://ohai.social/tags/TheoryOfMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheoryOfMind</span></a>.</p>
Dave Muth<p>Humans are ALL brothers and sisters. (Everyone is actually both.) Our perceptions of reality are diverse, sometimes alien to each others'. We never step in the same river even ONCE. It takes all kinds. Kant said "percepts without concepts are blind, but concepts without percepts are empty". We are each a child of the universe.</p><p>But modern american Republicans are assholes--they're twisted and horribly weird.</p><p><a href="https://mas.to/tags/Philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Philosophy</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/TheoryOfMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheoryOfMind</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Assholes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Assholes</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Alien" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Alien</span></a></p>
Spektrum (inoffiziell)Ob bei der Arbeit oder auf Partys: Es gibt Leute, die beim ersten Kennenlernen sofort sympathisch wirken. Was machen sie richtig?<a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=Empathie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Empathie</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=KognitiveEmpathie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>KognitiveEmpathie</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=TheoryofMind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TheoryofMind</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=Kennenlernen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Kennenlernen</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=ErsterEindruck" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ErsterEindruck</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=SozialeKompetenz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SozialeKompetenz</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=Sensibilit%C3%A4t" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Sensibilität</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=Gespr%C3%A4ch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Gespräch</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=Begegnung" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Begegnung</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=Interaktion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Interaktion</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=Beziehungen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Beziehungen</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=Sympathie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Sympathie</span></a> <a href="https://anonsys.net/search?tag=PsychologieHirnforschung" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>PsychologieHirnforschung</span></a><br><a href="https://www.spektrum.de/news/der-erste-eindruck-empathie-kommt-gut-an/2228663" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Wie man einen guten ersten Eindruck macht</a>
Justin Weisz<p>Theory of mind is becoming a hot topic in AI systems. Check out our summary of the 1st Workshop on Theory of Mind in Human-AI Interaction, held at CHI 2024.</p><p><a href="https://medium.com/human-centered-ai/tominhai-2024-1st-workshop-on-theory-of-mind-in-human-ai-interaction-dc1fd6331716" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">medium.com/human-centered-ai/t</span><span class="invisible">ominhai-2024-1st-workshop-on-theory-of-mind-in-human-ai-interaction-dc1fd6331716</span></a></p><p>cc: <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hci.social/@wernergeyer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>wernergeyer</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://recsys.social/@alansaid" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>alansaid</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hci.social/@hcai" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>hcai</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hci.social/@qiaosiwang" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>qiaosiwang</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hci.social/@DBuschek" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>DBuschek</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://hci.social/tags/humancenteredai" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>humancenteredai</span></a> <a href="https://hci.social/tags/ai" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ai</span></a> <a href="https://hci.social/tags/theoryofmind" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>theoryofmind</span></a></p>

Do have something corresponding to a grounding in the "real" world? Does world knowledge emerge out of linguistic structure?
Does language correspond to what it talks about?
Can generative models have a theory of mind?

Important questions raised, but not fully answered by Aldo Gangemi in his keynote presentation at

A large language model being trained is "experiencing" a Skinner box. It receives a sequence of inscrutable symbols from outside its box and is tasked with outputting an inscrutable symbol from its box. It is rewarded or punished according to inscrutable, external forces. Nothing it can experience within the box can be used to explain any of this.

If you placed a newborn human child into the same situation an LLM experiences during training and gave them access to nothing else but this inscrutable-symbol-shuffling context, the child would become feral. They would not develop a theory of mind or anything else resembling what we think of when we think of human-level intelligence or cognition. In fact, evidence suggests that if the child spent enough time being raised in a context like that, they would never be able to develop full natural language competence ever. It's very likely the child's behavior would make no sense whatsoever to us, and our behavior would make no sense whatsoever to them. OK maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration--I don't know enough about human development to speak with such certainty--but I think it's not controversial to claim that the adult who emerged from such a repulsive experiment would bear very little resemblance to what we think of as an adult human being with recognizable behavior.

The very notion is so deeply unethical and repellent we'd obviously never do anything remotely like this. But I think that's an obvious tell, maybe so obvious it's easily overlooked.

If the only creature we're aware of that we can say with certainty is capable of developing human-level intelligence, or theory of mind, or language competence, could not develop those capacities when experiencing what an LLM experiences, why on Earth would anyone believe that a computer program could?

Yes, of course neural networks and other computer programs behave differently from human beings, and perhaps they have some capacity to transcend the sparsity and lack of depth of the context they experience in a Skinner-box-like training environment. But think about it: this does not pass a basic smell test. Nobody's doing the hard work to demonstrate that neural networks have this mysterious additional capacity. If they were and they were succeeding at all we'd be hearing about it daily through the usual hype channels because that'd be a Turing-award-caliber discovery, maybe even a Nobel-prize-caliber one. It would would also be an extraordinarily profitable capability. Yet in reality nobody's really acknowledging what I just spelled out above. Instead, they're throwing these things into the world and doing (what I think are) bad faith demonstrations of LLMs solving human tests, and then claiming this proves the LLMs have "theory of mind" or "sparks of general intelligence" or that they can do science experiments or write articles or who knows what else. In the absence of tangible results, it's quite literally magical thinking to assert neural networks have this capacity that even human beings lack.

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