Mayke [15/31] - When your Cyber-Physical Systems are loosely coupled and sticky backed
Mayke [15/31] - When your Cyber-Physical Systems are loosely coupled and sticky backed
Gleich auf #Deutschlandfunk : #Feature #Projekt #Cybersyn - Chiles kybernetischer Traum von #Gerechtigkeit (1/2)
Das Projekt, #Kybernetik zum Wohle einer #Gesellschaft durch eine sozialistische Regierung und ihre Forscherinnen, umzusetzen, würde schon mehrfach beleuchtet.
#Heute um 20:05h kommt der erste Teil des aktuellen Feature von Jakob Schmidt und Jannis Funk auf #DLF
Cybersyn en vivo en Flisol, Córdoba, 2025. https://fediverse.tv/w/8tfKKEDszVZnevaDW886ZK #liveCoding #SonicPi #Hydra #Cybersyn #Arduino #Theremin #softwareLibre
@malteengeler Design/UI von Gui Bonsiepe (DE).
Gab mal ein schönes DLF/WDR-Feature dazu:
https://www.hoerspielundfeature.de/chiles-kybernetischer-traum-von-gerechtigkeit-projekt-104.html
#cybersyn
@inquiline @librarianshipwreck
Not exactly a bottom-up experiment, but there was #Chile’s #CyberSyn (#Cybernetic #Socialism) project in the early 1970s. The original 9/11—the USA-backed military coup—put an end to that.
Are there personal / small community org applications of #operationsResearch?
Something that keeps popping into my mind is: #Cybersyn but #OCAP .
I guess #valueflows is kind of like this? But that's just a vocabulary.
(No, cryptocurrencies are not what I'm looking for.)
there's an incredibly awesome podcast by journalist, sociologist, socialist @evgenymorozov about #cybersyn within #chile|s history of how the #cia made socialist #allende fall, called "the santiago boys": https://the-santiago-boys.com
@tante free software should be for ourselves and for others who are like us.
yes, free software has enough licenses but lacks good communities and community structure. look at how fsf keeps rms as voting board member.
the first goal of free software must be to provide technology that supports the free software community itself in organizing it. this is also the first step of a broader, general revolution resulting in global cyber council communism.
screw free software (i mean i love it but), i want liberating software!
"Notice what's going on here. [Stafford] Beer and CyberSyn are abandoning the traditional toolkit of Soviet planning. Instead, they're charging towards a new type of socialism, one where realtime data triumphs over archaic planning methods, and that's how it should be.
'Reality is stronger than theory', as [Chilean President Salvador] Allende once said."
#EvgenyMorozov, 2023
#DistributedDemocracy #Decentralization #NetworkedFederalism #CyberSyn #Socialism: "Just as liberalism is flawed in its calls for democracy to extend only to parliamentary representation, the core internet protocols are flawed in their assumption that distribution need only apply to network topology. We have seen the consequences of asking private enterprise to construct a distributed system: centralisation, monopolisation. Just as we demand more democracy than offered by parliaments, we should demand more distribution than offered by private telecommunications. Distribution can only be achieved in this sense via socialisation.
Effective network design demands collective, not private governance. If the private market cannot distribute the network itself, as we have seen it cannot, we will need to find new protocols which can achieve this. And there is no reason to limit this aspiration to topology; we could also distribute computing power. If “the cloud” offers the appearance of distribution, a socialist network might achieve the real thing: equitable access to the power of computation, autonomy over algorithms, open and public archives, digital democracy.
We can go beyond the existing conceptions of distribution to build four necessary protocols for a socialist network:
- Distribute network topology (a demand already latent in TCP/IP)
- Distribute computing power
- Socialise communication
- Socialise the development of network infrastructure itself
The question of how to go about socialising these things remains an open one, but however weak the left might be in this domain today, we are not without options."
@michaelgraaf this made me think of the podcast https://the-santiago-boys.com which is about the #cybersyn project “to liberate Chile from the yoke of the tech giant ITT to the #SantiagoBoys’ attempts to build their own cutting-edge #cybernetic system for managing the Chilean economy (Project Cybersyn), Allende’s efforts will continue inspiring our own struggles for technological autonomy” I think you might like it