Die Philosophin Nancy Fraser und die verzweifelten Hoffnungen der Linken in den USA
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O wisdom of Mastodon,
As part of a project aimed at making direct democracy accessible to the widest possible audience, I’m looking for an online platform that can convene a citizens’ jury selected by lottery from its registered users.
Essential criteria:
* a truly random, verifiable draw;
* ability to configure multiple topics (use cases: NGOs, political movements, local governments, etc.);
* secure, moderatable deliberation spaces;
* export of results in report form.
If you know of a tool (preferably open-source) that meets these requirements, or if you have first-hand experience, please share your references and feedback in the comments. Thank you in advance!
@davevolek
8/8
Not forgetting the idea of the #ImperativeMandate and the short rotation of these same mandates, #Sortition without filter, and then what we could mean by #MinimalState, #Municipalism, #Commons, #Federalism, #Mutualist and #Synallagmatic #PoliticalContract (#Proudhon), #Deliberation, and #DeliberationTime (#Stiegler, #Virilio).
@davevolek
4/8
We must also remember that even #Sortition can favor an #Aristocracy (see the example of the #Boulé in #Athens, where it was by sortition among #Volunteers). From my point of view, this system works. Of course, it is necessary to "reset things," denaturalize the #Hobbesian #StateFiction holding the #MonopolyOfViolence (#Weber), and the exclusivity of the #Spectacle (#Debord, #Baudrillard, #Foucault, #Derrida, #Agamben).
With the antics and atrocities committed by Trump since the start of his second term, there has never been a better time than today to implement a system of participatory democracy, or at least a political system in which political representatives are chosen by sortition. I honestly think it would be very difficult to achieve an outcome as bad as the one we have now.
"In governance, sortition is the selection of public officials or jurors at random, i.e. by lottery, in order to obtain a representative sample.
In ancient Athenian democracy, sortition was the traditional and primary method for appointing political officials, and its use was regarded as a principal characteristic of democracy. Sortition is often classified as a method for both direct democracy and deliberative democracy.
Today sortition is commonly used to select prospective jurors in common-law systems. What has changed in recent years is the increased number of citizen groups with political advisory power, along with calls for making sortition more consequential than elections, as it was in Athens, Venice, and Florence."
@CptSuperlative On randomness, still my favourite article of the past two decades, "If you can't choose wisely, choose randomly", by Michael Schulson:
As moderns, we take it for granted that the best decisions stem from a process of empirical analysis and informed choice, with a clear goal in mind. That kind of decision-making, at least in theory, undergirds the ways that we choose political leaders, play the stock market, and select candidates for schools and jobs. It also shapes the way in which we critique the rituals and superstitions of others. But, as the Kantu’ illustrate, there are plenty of situations when random chance really is your best option.
https://aeon.co/essays/if-you-can-t-choose-wisely-choose-randomly
Much more, and apparently heavy reliance on a couple of books I'd still like to read, by Michael Dove, Michael Stone's The Luck of the Draw: The Role of Lotteries in Decision Making, Robert Finlay's Politics in Renaissance Venice, and a few others.
I think #sortition really really is better than letting people seeking power have power.
What gets on the agenda of an actually random group of people given power to make decisions is the other weak spot with sortition-as-practiced.
Part of why i feel the first place this power-from-below intervention is needed is in the media.
Your idea of doing it for a whole legislature also fixes the problem of the agenda getting set by people outside the process.
The only way an Australian without any skills, experience, insight or knowledge whatsoever can earn a $300,000+ salary is to be a Prime Minister, and nobody exemplified that more than John Howard, except for literally every single one of his successors.
They really are fucking morons, every single one of them. Even in retirement, there’s no self awareness from any of them. A Coles shelf-stacker exhibits more awareness, object permanence and nous than all of them put together.
@klillington it’s a pipe dream fantasy but by jiminy wouldn’t the thoughtful deliberation inherent in #sortition be better. No chance of politician turkeys voting for Christmas however. #ge24 #ge2024 #irishelection
@fuzzyduck
I don't WANT to rule the world, not really…but, if i did, here's what i would do…
Confiscate all private wealth over $10M
Convert all govts into #sortition Democracies
Mega corps broken up & converted into worker coop's
Borders dismantled, free movement of people
Fossil fuels phased out w renewables
#WMDs destroyed, armies dismantled
Free universal healthcare, education, social care, welfare
Tackle climate change seriously
End poverty, war, disease
Equal rights to everyone, everywhere
Sortition is the selection of public officials by lottery.
We use it to select juries.
"In ancient Athenian democracy, sortition was the traditional and primary method for appointing political officials, and its use was regarded as a principal characteristic of democracy."
One objection to #sortition is that those selected may not be qualified.
But a random selection is almost certain to be more qualified than those selected by Trump.
@RichardJMurphy
democracy in its current form is flawed
it's open to outside influence, to bought & malign actors & the ability to bastardize it & create an in effect dictatorship
To remove these threats & allow democracy to again be our bastion against threats to our collective good & freedoms we must to change how representatives are chosen
The only way forward is #sortition
Random, but societally reflective representatives chosen to scrutinize & pass laws hold govt to account & restore trust
@GottaLaff
1-billionaires should not exist. Having that much power & the influence it buys is untenable & damaging to all
2-Those w money DEMAND attention, this should EXCLUDE them from access
3-ALL democracies are in danger from malign influence in state or billionaire form
4-Checks & balances have failed, an average person deserves equal access as anyone, but we dont
5-Its time for a new way, #sortition can provide that, we trust juries, why not expand this to legislation & governance?
@Patricia
I too believe in society, crowd wisdom, etc
Democracy's worldwide are ALL in trouble from
fake news
social media interference
weak journalistic reporting & interrogation
lack of true opposition to hold govts to account
general public apathy, due to above
what's the answer?
Ban social media in elections?
Ban weak journo's?
Institute scrutiny laws?
My solution?
#sortition
A balanced selection to reflect society
random chosen
limited tenure
No 2nd terms
Proven to work
#sortitionworks
@Geri its hard to NOT forget the #CorruptTories appalling shower!
#starmersellout & co, gave every impression they had a plan. Turns out they got zip
I always thought this would be the case, never ought I'd be so right!
I see better ideas here, more thoughtful, considered, crowd wisdom at it’s best
@Geri you can see why I favour #Sortition for more details about #sortition see: https://www.sortitionfoundation.org/ they explain it better than I can
The Visions Unite shallow version of #sortition – an approach in its fuller version that i think all of us working to build a world without 'leaders' separated from the rest of us should consider – would also be supplemental, the broadcast layer or extra attention-boost mechanism for what i felt you were leading up to, social-movement-embedded local news orgs.
A simple idea for fixing British #democracy: treat non-votes as votes for non-politicians, selected at random from the population at large.
This would've made this year's general election an overwhelming landslide for random citizens, which probably would've been better.
Even if it wouldn't have been *better* as such to have 609 out of 650 MPs replaced by non-politicians, I'd argue that it would have been far more reflective of the wishes of the British public.
Only 1 in 6 of the population voted Labour - mostly to get rid of the Tories, or because they wanted *change*.
Instead, we got Starmer's lot, whose core strategy has always been to avoid upsetting Tories whenever possible. Because in the current system, they can afford to alienate almost everyone else.
#sortition #power #voting
https://medium.com/socrates-cafe/electing-none-of-the-above-7e8dcd8b9a43
Is There Democracy Without Voting? Elections by Lot in Ancient Athens
"The ancient Athenians believed that randomness was an expression of true democracy. In Athens, election by lot guaranteed equality of opportunity and chance."
https://www.thecollector.com/elections-in-ancient-athens-democracy/
@MisuseCase @zenheathen @TCatInReality @tylervu @SailorDisco @GottaLaff
When "terms" are no longer than a specific issue, what you're suggesting is absolutely unworkable.
A lobby groups is going to what, offer an entire Assembly "cushy employment"? Hardly.
It's also not difficult to make that level of direct interference illegal
So, I see what you're getting at, but I remain supportive of #Sortition and Expert Guided Citizen Assemblies, especially over the shit fight that is current, professional, politicking
PALESTINE, CRUSH ZIONISM 
